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matthias and olivier. tupkal is the achronym we as a group have more or less given to the unseen echoplex systems upgrade. the second bit was about wise financial choices and when to purchase the echoplex. ie... what I meant was, (from my experiences dealing with most manufacturers) that I will wait until oberheim/gibson gets the plex to a state that I personally deem acceptable in order to avoid getting letdown(shit on, the shaft, diddled, stepped on) by the company. those are more expressions for you to work on. being a student again means I have to be very careful with money(deutsche mark, franck, yen, baht, pound, lire, dollar). sorry for the confusion collier I've been toying with the idea of setting up a mac IIci with hyperprism to do looping and midi controlled spacial effects. I might put a samplecell card in it also. anyone done this?