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Dear Dave ... a number of topics have been introduced here other than Echoplex with minor results ... I have introduced them as well. My comment has to do with you guys dominating this line ... and getting us all using our delete key. I am not the only one who has mentioned this by the way ... we have already lost a few subscribers over it. If you have some common problems why don't you pick up the phone and call one another and in "real" time, enlighten one another and resolve your problems immediately. The Vortex and esoterica have been a subplot here ... music is nowhere to be seen. The ongoing dialog of the advantages of the Echoplex over the Jamman come across as unnecessary, elitist and offensive. There are people here who use the Jamman daily. I didn't really join the page to defend the application of equipment or trump something. Can we begin talking about how we compose, how we might use these ideas in performance, what musical surprises have occurred, what mistakes became part of the texture ... Paul