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I think maybe we've hit on a new thread here. I'm sure most of us here would agree that digital sound involves some serious compromise, especially for highly dynamic, wide-range instruments like guitar. So who is doing some sort of analog looping? I'd love to find an old analog Echoplex, or some other tape delay, but they're such a pain to care for. Anyone using the Frippertronics approach with two tape decks? I've done that one, helping a friend with an experimental studio recording. It's a big pain in the butt trying to get the two tape machines running at exactly the same speed. It's a good way to get a big wowing mess and a tangle of half-track tape on the floor. Sounds fantastic, though. Like I said earlier, I "loop" with retuned acoustic guitar quite a bit. I like to play long, droning improvisations that change slowly over time, and because I practice a lot I'm pretty good at it. The delays just make it easier. Certain feedback approaches can feel like looping, too. During my brief flirtation with feedback, I would often hold a feedback line together for minutes at a time, just letting the guitar resonate and change. I've also mentioned my delay/feedback no-intervention experiments... what Eno would call "systems music". The upshot of this, I guess, is that there's a pretty fuzzy line between traditional linear music and looping. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. -Charles Fort dstagner@icarus.net