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Paulpop@ssnet.com has a decent point. I won't apologize for taking advantage of access to other Plex users and members of the design team to help answer questions about the unit and its problems, nor will I apologize for singing the praises of the box in response to someone's posted question as to why one would want to pick the Plex over the JamMan. But I agree that these are two topics that have been covered pretty extensively. So here's my candidate for a new thread. I'm wondering how you all feel about the sheer visual/performance aspect of looping and tweaking in real time. Looping of various forms is well-established as a studio form, but live on-the-fly looping as part of a performance is a much rarer scenario. I've run into situations with both looping and guitar synth where the first few seconds of a piece are almost immediately greeted by laughter from one or two members of the audience -- not so much as a result of the actual music (at least, I'm hoping not) but rather at the sight of a solo performer with a guitar that "plays itself" (a looping comment I heard) or that sounds like an orchestra string section. What I'm more stymied by is the actual aspect of changing and engaging sound via more overtly "mechanical" means (i.e. turning a knobas opposed to, say, doing something on your input device to change the sound). Does the sight of a performer leaning over and tweaking knobs to process the sound detract from the environment that the performance creates? One person on the Torn list remarked that seeing David play on his solo tour supporting Trilok Gurtu was a bit like watching someone fiddling around in his basement studio. For that matter, does it have an impact on the actual music making process for the *performer* as well? One of the things I like about looping via the Vortex more than the Oberheim is that certain patches will automatically change the feedback setting; a loop will spin indefinitely until more sound is put into the loop, at which time the feedback creeps down a bit. It feels somehow more "musical" than reaching over to turn a knob or rock a footpedal. Then you have someone like Robert Fripp, who not only embraces the odd visual aspect of looping performance but actually makes it a part of the performance itself, going to the extent of putting the guitar down and walking to the side of the stage where he files his nails while the loop spins on. One friend of mine who caught his first series of Soundscaping shows in Argentina said he got a real kick out of seeing Fripp enter one or two notes into his rig and spend then execute the rest of the performance by turnig knobs and pushing buttons. Some time later, when my pal saw me playing background music for a party at school last year, he laughed out loud when I set down the guitar at one point and walked around for a bit, the loop still going. As I'm two weeks away from my own solo looping performance, I'm thinking about the sheer performance environment aspect, and how the visual/mechanical aspects of looping can affect the audience's perception of the music. Anyone have any thoughts on any of the above? If not, we could always compare notes on unity gain signal-to-noise ratios on the inactive internal compression unit on the pre-upgrade edition of the echoplex... 8-/ --Andre