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Remember the Dilbert Principle... the most glaringly stupid employees are put in the place where they can do the least harm - management. How true this is, I do not know. After all, we don't have a good reference to how much damage the morons would do if they stayed in engineering or sales. And of course, it's management that appoints them to management. By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort