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JJ rants: >Um, WRONG here, Mr. Durant. While up until about 3-5 years ago quite a lot >of effects boxes crossed to mono SOMEWHERE in the effects chain, ALL of >them, if they had stereo outs, DID have different signals in each output. >The >JamMan, however... Stereo outs with identical output in each (oh, except >for >the virtually useless input signal being passed through). This *IS* >misleading, >no doubt about it. Having different signals in each output is not stereo. If you were to make a loop of a stereo source in any of these devices, the original stereo input would be summed to mono, thus destroying the original stereo image. In the reverb programs of these devices, the reverbs did not maintain stereo image. Now, Digitech did come out with their TSR series (true stereo reverb) named specifically to point out that they are actually stero. Unless you want multiple effects, at which point memory gets shared, and processing power is limited, and you're back to pseudo stereo land. As for the "virtually useless input signal being passed through", I'll refer you to several people who have chimed in with their gratitude for this feature. >Case in point: both Guitar Center and Musician's Friend, being major >mailorder retailers of Lexicon products, *both* indicated, both in their >printed advertising *and* in numerous conversations with supposedly >knowledgeable sales people over the phone, that one of the major >selling points of the JamMan was that it would loop in stereo. Now, if >Lexicon >WASN'T being misleading, why the hell did its retailers disseminate such >supposedly obvious misinformation? And yet it's my fault for not figuring >out that it was a mono unit before I bought it? I'll refer you to several posts from the past year to give you my thoughts about the retailers. However: Lexicon neither writes nor has an opportunity to edit copy in Musician's Friend. (or any other mail order house) It is a constant source of frustration, but no one (either their local rep or Lex's sales managers) seems to be able to cure the problem. They do what they want (which is often wrong). As for GC, they have historically had the most turnover in sales staff, which leads to poor training, and bad information. Every manufacturer tears their hair out over this problem: they're the number one dealer in the country, and nobody gets decent information put across. Not Lexicon, not Oberheim, not Digitech, not Paul Reed Smith, not Korg,not anyone. So as a manufacturer, what can you do? Drop them and watch your sales drop by 30%? Try explaining that to the shareholders. You're quite correct: it's not your fault that you were given incorrect information from these retailers. And I'm personally very sorry if you feel that you were mislead. However: if you can find a piece of advertising material from Lexicon (not from a retailer) that indactes that it is a stereo looper, (or any other kind of stereo anything) than I'll accept that Lexicon is guilty of putting forth misleading information. What was always said was that it was a 32 second (w/optional memory upgarde, 8 sec standard) looper/echo/sampler. Which is what it is. Mono or stereo was never discussed. No review ever errantly claimed it was stereo. (Or whined that it wasn't.) So at worst they're guity by omission. Just like every other manufacturer in the MI world. BTW, when anyone called MY office and asked the mono/stereo question, they were told in no uncertain terms that it loops in mono, but passes through stereo. Can't vouch for anything post February 96 since I've been gone since, but I never heard anyone call it stereo while I was there. Jon Durant