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Jon wrote, re the Ultimate Looper; >The big issue is: is there a market out there? So far the returns on >Jam/Plex etc have indicated not. I think there is, but fragmented in such a way that communication with the various elements of the market would be difficult. There have to be horn players, violinists, harmonica players, etc. who'd love to have enough of "their playing, only more of it" to be able to perform without a band. There has to be a significant number of vocalists who'd like to do a Bobby McFerrin-like act, but maybe can't pull it off without electronic assistance. And there have to be DJs who could profit from footswitches and MIDI control. The issue I see is, how do you reach the imaginative, frustrated subsets of all these groups, who may be hungry for the right looping device and not even know it? Another issue is whether a single box could meet the needs of all or most potential users, at a price that wouldn't eliminate many of them. If I were a DJ, I'd certainly want hands-free capability on my phrase sampler, as well as the ability to mutate a sample rather than merely repeating it...but the folks marketing phrase samplers don't seem to see it that way. And, of course, I'm not a DJ. But I doubt that any new looper would succeed if marketed only to guitarists. John mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com Troubador Tech on the Web--http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock