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hi Francis, >I wonder how I relate to all of you with the way I came into looping (writing my >own software, etc.) without much knowledge of what was going on at the >Guitar Center, etc., but instead, developing looping concepts in my Ivory >Tower and musing on Steve Reich's music, etc. and how to do something >similar with computer source code which I was writing Yes it might seem like we're looping guitarists only but there are a couple of other instrumentalists here, we've had quite a number of discussions about computer-generated or -controlled loops, and the minimalists are without doubt one of the major influences for most of us. I'd love to learn more about you and your work on our "Personal Profiles" page - if you want to be present on this page, please send the info to me, and I'll work it in. I'd also love to hear your opinion about my little "history of looping" article from our website - you seem to be quite familiar with the minimalist roots of looping, and maybe you can correct or contribute something. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm -----Original Message----- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 1997 3:56 PM To: INTERNET:LOOPERS-DELIGHT@ANNIHILIST.COM Subject: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA17013; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 09:49:58 -0500 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wAzS4-0003DF-00; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:49:52 -0800 Message-ID: <333D2A3D.249F@lafn.org> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:42:05 -0800 From: Francis Leach <ba754@lafn.org> Organization: lafn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 References: <23054.199703290923@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WPIsJB.A.q9C.jvSPz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com> archive/latest/2433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList <lists@slip.net> Resent-To: 100041.247@compuserve.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 06:49:52 -0800 Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: > > David O'Torn - I mean Orton - said > > >>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April > >>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch > >>time) > > Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? > > Michael > > Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, > Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. > "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb 3 in London! And one, me, feeling isolated from you all in the newsgroup. Why? Because I don't use the same looping software and the same looping hardware that most of you use . . . let me explain. Though I am a professional musician, in 1983 I became a computer addict and began to write my own source code. The first extremely simple program I wrote was a BASIC program to play Bach's Prelude in C (well-tempered) on my /CPM Toshiba machine that played on the primite built in speaker . . . not very sophisticated . . . But then, in the next few years, I began to take college programming classes in the following languages: LISP, C, BASIC, Prolog, Logo, Pascal, etc. And tho I then had no MIDI setup, I was fascinated and quite creative in writing looping "space" music that used a combination of aleatoric and constraining devices to create a patterned music that was based on chance patterns . . . my favorite composing influences, were Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, etc. all of whom I became extremely interested in and how they "looped", while I spent 9 years writing classical music reviews for the Pasadena Star News. My most challenging writing about the concerts I attended were about LaMonte Young, John Cage, etc. I even attacked Cage at a party in Pasadena, in his honor, by approaching him and asking "Why don't you believe in patterned music!" His charming response to me was by smiling and saying while extending his hand in a most disarming manner, "Perhaps when you know me better!" I find him socially delightful, but though I didn't tell him, I still disliked his music immensely. But I did find people like La Monte Young, whom I interviewed, and Steve Reich . . . very intrigueing indeed . . . So during those using, I began to form theories and opinions about looping (For loop1 = 1 to 4 . . . . .next loop1)! that were reflected in my composition source code. And then, about three years ago, I bought my first polyphonic synthesizer, an old Kurzweil K1000). Years previously, I had obtained an early Roland monophonic synthesizer, and took classes at Pasadena City College on a Moog) . . . Well, I installed MIDI cards in PCs, the next couple of years, sold some computers (I had picked up many in thrift stores) to the Electronic Music Laboratory I became involved with at LACC (Los Angeles City College), began to both continue with the aleatoric music source code I both wrote myself and was a consultant on with another programmer from IBM, on and on and on . . . It's to long to tell all this, right? But to shorten my background story: I continued to be obsessed with the principle of looping, and how, in recursive usage of looping (ala "Godel, Escher, Bach"), I could gradually change the musical sound loops ((MIDI now on a Kurzweil, Roland W-50 drum machine, Cakewalk software), as they occurred). So, we arrive at this week, and I am in the midst of creating a memorial looping piece (with my sometime composing partner) based on "Heavens-Gate". It has both an elegaic sound similar to Albinoni's famous funeral piece, and Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings", and a recurring space music feel . . . .!!! Well, anyway, I'm isolated here in Hollywood, from you guys and I read your messages about certain looping software and hardware, and I wonder how I relate to all of you with the way I came into looping (writing my own software, etc.) without much knowledge of what was going on at the Guitar Center, etc., but instead, developing looping concepts in my Ivory Tower and musing on Steve Reich's music, etc. and how to do something similar with computer source code which I was writing . . . it did work and sometimes the bugs in my code produced the more interesting sonic results than my cleaner code . . . . Happy Easter!