>I hate these >new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the >manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! When will end-users get it? Cost, cost, cost! Travis Hartnett P.S. I'm in complete agreement with you, but I don't think this trend in MI design is going away.