Regarding the post on BF and realtime looping... I've been using the PDS1002 two second delay pedal for years (I actually have two of 'em now) I also use teh RDS3600 rack mount but in a differebnt way (Warping with the width feature is wonderful) Question: Has anyone put together a list of all the Digitech pedals and rack machines that are realtime loopers with knobs. I've also used the Ibanez DM1100 and some boss pieces. These are all very affordable and some have up to 8 seconds which is pretty useful. Grated they aren't Jam/plexes but for the money and availability (plus the real time knobs) they certainly warrent some attention. Anyone else use these creatures? Anyone care to comile a quick and dirty list of models and features? -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now!: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid!