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It's actually completely against my nature to post this, but I'm a bit more concerned about our own survival at the moment than free speech. Looper's Delight is not exactly a highly regarded entity on my service provider, as mailing lists apparently stress the mail servers. We already got blamed for a server crash once, which wasn't our fault, but the list was turned off for a week as a result. So could we please veer back to the usual topic? We had a huge amount of posts in the past 24 hours, a great many of which were not at all related to the list topic. If we're gonna get booted, let's do it because we're filling the bandwidth with discussions about looping. If you've drifted well away from that, please try to police yourselves and continue in email or the alt newsgroups. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com