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Mark has a very good point (and some other cat posted along the same lines a few days back-how many folks in the crowd can actually percieve a lot of stereo effects?) but at the same time, as I said, there are a bunch of Vortex effects (like 3/7 echoes) which sound way more like music if there are quarter note triplet echoes coming from one place and septuplet echoes coming from another, not to mention the possibilities for panning a lead a la Pete Cosey. I enjoy hearing an unmiked ensemble for many reasons, not least because I can walk around the venue and experience a varied mix/EQ. I think playing stereo can offer a similar experience. I hate hearing a band where they use the PA to overpower the room sound only to replace it with fake ambience. If I use some stadium souding delay, it's to make a point, not because I rely on the illusion that I'm playing in a hockey arena instead of a dive bar in order to sound cool. BTW, after some inquiries at the joint I usually play, it became clear to me that, though most consoles are stereo capable, it is the setup of crossovers and power amps that makes most small clubs mono only. I have no idea if this bit o' info will do anyone any good, but I thought I'd pass it along. Even though there may be matching speaker stacks on each side of the stage, folks are not stereo nor can they be w/o much more hardware. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html