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hi folks, i must confess that i too respect the keyboard/loopage enlightenment..being a string player (chapman stick, geetar etc.) i have found that my music/gigs have been helped out alot by my cheesey ole Ensoniq ESQ-1 > Korg A2> Alesis Midiverb 3>jamman >Mackie >chain....i am able to loop multi layers of keys via the Jamman...while playing a Stick part through the Plex, with some backward grooves ,of course.... so its with me live from now on,,,i have for better or worse written keys into the musical story,,, when i practice odd scales etc...i will loop a piano>jamman chord maybe add a groove,,,maybe not,,,and i will practice some scales ,,,while hearing the looped chord,,,it has helped me learn new approaches to spontaneous improvisation,,and hearing the interaction of a note before i play it.... see you in the groove james rhodes > >