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Roger: As far as an "ideal looping system", certainly the EDP must take the honors--no other device can offer such a range of directly loop-related manipulations with such power. I figger you get yerself two EDP's, one foot control, max out the memory at 198 sec each, brother sync em together and yer in hog heaven for about $1500. For what you get, it's a steal. A pair of Revoxes used to be about $4000.... David Myers >Is there some sort of unspoken, ideal, money-no-object looping system that >defines the top of the yardstick, the ultimate system against which all >others are measured? What would be included/omitted in an ideal system? >Roger