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Doug: The test I did was of only one track of a current popular CD (not track 1, if that matters), and both "common/data" CDR and "audio/consumer" CDR discs were involved. I expect a shipment of more "cheapie" CDRs tomorrow & will see what happens when attempting to copy an entire commercial disc, then doing it again... will let you (and all) know how it goes. Could it be that SCMS is only at the head? This seems to be how the "audio/consumer" (i.e., Philips CDR870) discs do their detestable thing.... But I have to say, if SCMS only prevents making a copy of a copy, who the hell cares? If I can dupe as many copies as I like of my own material, and can even run off 200 copies of Barry Manilow Pukes In Your Shoes if I wish, what more does anyone--certainly any pirate--need?? David Myers >Whoa!!! Copied OK from a copy of a commercial CD!?! Could you repeat this >test with another CD? I'd be VERY interested in hearing about your >results! > >SCMS _should_ take effect on the second generation, but it dosn't appear >to >be working on your machine. Anyone else have a CDR870? Can you replicate >these results? > >If you get the same results, the CDR870 might just be the cheapest pro >(non-SCMS) digital recorder in the known universe (BONUS!) > >Let me know if you discover anything else! You may have just saved >yourself (and a lot of the rest of us) 200 bones! (Won't tell you what MY >girlfried would assume I was talking about if I told her I wanted to spend >$200 on a scum stripper) > >-Doug Tapia