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> One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done > something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was > percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls > and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. I made mention of this piece a while ago and it received absolutely NO acknowledgement from anyone, so maybe it's not that cool a reference, but for my taste one of the most stirring and haunting musical uses of looping I have ever heard is on Joni Mitchell's "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey", where her free-form acoustic guitar is accompanied only by Don Alias on handrums and old-fashioned tape loops of coyotes howling. It's on the album "Mingus", for me a lukewarm record in her otherwise excellent catalog, but it's worth the price of admission for "Wolf" and some of the Joni/Jaco interplay throughout. I believe "Wolf" may have been reissued on her recent "Misses" collection, so there might be your chance to hear it in the company of some stronger Joni material. Ken R