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In a message dated 6/21/98 6:57:52 AM, Andreas wrote: <<To top of all that frustration I finally have a fantastic lightweight single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s rack gear BUT they say they see no reason to include delay time above 1,4 sec. in it. Hell, this is never gonna end.>> Yes, the G-Force is wonderful. Is it so horrible to have a rack consisting of a G-Force and an Echoplex? Of course, there's always that Kyma System...... Marshall