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Andreas, You might want to look at the DOD DFX-98 delay. It does looping, has 8 seconds of delay, and a delay time knob allows you to adjust the speed/pitch of your loops. -Chuck Zwicky At 07:56 AM 6/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Thomas, > >maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that >much >sense; they both seem to work quite well and the shortcomings in either >unit seem to balance each other. >The real hangup with all this gear is that You can't really configure them >to Your individual needs as much as is would be appropriate to serve as a >spontaneous, creative element in making music. I still cannot on any of my >high-quality digital boxes equal the sound of the tape echo with a >manually >sliding head I used in 1982 (which is a lot to ask for, I admit). Since >I'm >not willing to lugg 3 different units (tc 2290, Rang, PCM 80 with which I >had tremenduos SIMM problems by the way...)to each gig I started to use >less and less of this gear 'cause its plain stiff and unmusical to work >along configurations made by some factory tech five years ago. >And when I read in a LD posting the other day that the praised Oberheim >Echoplex can't even make ANY octave(speed) up/octave (speed)down stuff AT >ALL, I sort of really lost faith in all these boxes. (Maybe the re-release >of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?) >To top of all that frustration I finally have a fantastic lightweight >single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s >rack gear BUT they say they see no reason to include delay time above 1,4 >sec. in it. Hell, this is never gonna end. > >Ciao, Andreas > >