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As an 'old school' looper in the late '70's (two spaced 4-track reel-to- reels), it's surprised even me how hooked I've gotten on Protools in the last year or so. So much so, that I recently bit the big bullet and upgraded to their PT24 system. While we're not talking 'traditional' looping in the sense of simple realtime looping (I'll never get rid of my EDP), these software recorder/editors open up a whole new concept of looping, which I'm sure a lot of you people are exploring. You can grab a phrase (or a piece of a loop) and simply paste copies of it back-to-back in endless, and completely editable permutations. With the multitrack capabilities, you can overlay more tracks or loops. While there isn't the 'instant gratification' of a dedicated looping box, the flexibility and absolute control over the elements you're using is addictive. The prices of these software packages (especially for PC's) is coming down all the time, they're getting to be a great value (since they're really complete recording studios in a box). My Protools 4.1 software and hardware combo (the Audiomedia 3 computer card with analog and dig. ins and outs, and some cool fx software) was 'only' around $850 (I'm going to sell my 6-month old pkg for about $500). And I guess some of the PC pkgs (I'm a dedicated Mac guy) are even cheaper. Cool stuff... Tim Story (storypod@aol.com)