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It is not my intention to reopen this discussion, but here is something that might be of interest to this group. I can't remember the exact quote but here goes: If you think of art as the name of a type of interaction between you and something else as opposed to a quality in something, it frees you from all sorts of problems. For example, you don't have to decide whether something is or is not art, only if that does it for some people people. Some Art, like a hit single, will do it for a million people for a month, other art, like a cathedral, will do it for several thousand people for several hundred years. On a more or less unrelated topic, would some kind folks please recommend a David Torn disc for a introduction. I have heard Polytown which I like, but would like to hear more looping. Thanks, Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com