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Hello fellow loopers, I agree completely with what Paul has written, but at the same time am also in complete agreement with a comment someone (Kim Flint, I think, but I don't remember) made a couple of days ago concerning the need to raise looping's recognition level as far as equipment manufacturers are concerned. It's all well and good to be idealistic about artistic integrity (and I'm not being sarcastic; I do mean that) but we can't ignore the market factor's influence on the continued existance of the toys we tweak. If looping "catches on" to a larger number of people, you can bet that newer and cooler tools will soon appear as the gear makers recognise an increased opportunity to prosper and stay in business. Owners of live venues would be more receptive to booking us purveyors of that "weird music" if they were to recognise the possibility of getting a good crowd of paying customers. We'd be more likely to see each others' work in the bins at the CD stores, and less dependent on special orders placed by an "enlightened few". It's a win-win, really. What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to commerciality? Any thoughts on this? Tim Nelson (P.S. to Paul: I don't mean to imply that you're unaware of this; remember, I said I agree with you completely!)