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In a message dated 26/05/99 20:36:21 GMT Daylight Time, dbaldwin@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > As long as it has a sample-and-hold function, discussion here at > LD seems appropriate. Actually I have a notion that this isn't what you think. Sample-and-hold=looper? right? Well as far as I can make out this actually refers to a method used in analogue synths to generate a series of random voltages to control either pitch (random note generator) or ,as in the case of the SS ,the frequency of a filter (sort of bubbly effect). Perhaps I've got this wrong, but I reckon the SS would make loopable sounds, or process a loop, but is not capable of looping on its own.((but then I've never tried one)) Thanks to all for the info on this ped so far. At the moment i'm veering towards giving it a miss for the following reasons 1) not tweakable 2) too 'digital sounding' 3) I'm looking for something to vary the sound without echoing, and that leaves out a lot of the SS presets it seems. 4) It doesn't have a whammy patch (some people want everything). .......still considering though. Andy Butler Lexicon Vortex Database (newish section on undocumented features) http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm