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At 11:38 PM 2/14/00 +0100, Mark Kunzmann wrote: >Technology obviously also forces us to take that different approach, but >from this point of view, should it not seem logical that the instruments >be >unique not only mentally but physically i.e. the MIDI controller and the >guitar be two separate instruments? The question is not only, *can* a >guitar >also be made into a (satisfactory) MIDI guitar, but *should* it be? I suspect these are questions that only you can answer for yourself. :) I've been off and on this list for a couple of years and virtually everybody here has his/her own goals and interests that somehow have something to do with looping. :) >I was wondering if anybody has tried Harvey Starr's instruments or has >anything to say about his approach to the guitar/MIDI guitar problem? I've I have. I grew up in San Diego, CA and Starrlabs is in downtown SD. Harvey is a nice guy - last time I visited him at his shop he was working on a "honeycomb" MIDI controller special-ordered by a microtonal composer in, I think, Chicago - the keys were hexagonal and arranged in such a way that the playing surface looked like a bent honeycomb. I haven't met too many guitar players who can get past the fact that the six strings of the "neck" are replaced by a 6x24 array of keys. But once you overcome that obstacle (if it ever was one for you personally), the Ztars and Zboards offer a lot of possibilities. In a way, the Ztar is the exact opposite of the Roland VG8 and any kind of guitar synth/MIDI guitar setup in which the behavior and sound of real strings are translated into signals for synths and MIDI modules. The latter attempts (with reasonable success) to superimpose the physical behavior of the guitar (or bass guitar or tapping instrument such as Stick) onto synthesizers. The former gives you a guitar-like interface but encourages you to try things that totally outside that physical behavior of real guitars. A simple example would be playing chords on one "string". Ztars have evolved to the point that they have begun offering programming and realtime control options that surpass the capability of most "normal" (as in organ-like) keyboard controllers. For example, the current generation supports true polyphonic aftertouch, which I understand is all but impossible to find in the current generation of "normal" keyboards. Not surprisingly, Ztars are very flexible instruments if you want to try different "tunings" (I have an acquaintance who configured the lower half of the neck to be reversed 5ths like a Stick and the upper half to be straight 4ths) and microtunings. You can play around with different microtonal temperaments and switch tonal centers, temperaments, etc. by hitting control pads. I guess the short take is that Ztars are not guitars - they are a new class of instruments that are familiar enough for guitarists to learn to play in a short amount of time but they can't really be expected to "play" exactly like guitars anymore than a clarinet "plays" exactly like a saxophone. Nothing will stop, you of course, from playing "Stairway" on it using acoustic guitar samples, but... hey I'd think it would be a waste of money but then again I'm not you... :) PAolo