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> I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over >and > over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to > using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you can > hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music. YES! this is called ''groove'''...i been playing the last 10 years in dance bands here in Bahia where the people really SWINGS, sometimes 7 hours of non stop amazing grooves.I played with the famous band named Timbalada and the first Guettho Square band with 30 young swingy drumers for about four months in 4 hour ''open reharsal'' every Sunday in front of 1500 people and i know what you are talking about.This kind of band haven't got bass player.They have bass drums (22'' and 24'' tuned D and G ) and the guitar (6th and 5th strings mainly) interact in the with the bass drums providing the Root...this forces you to play very ''tigth'' and your right hand must play ALWAYS the same pattern to death. Check this kind of grove at my mp3 page if you want: http://www.bahianet.com.br/crac The name of the song it's Ponte Duvidosa . The song Na Sopa have Timbalada style drums too.Good healt and enjoy it! julio