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i know that much i wasnt about to start arbitrarily shorting things out i just figured there mightve been a relatively simple mod like sending the feedback amount to ground, or shorting the ram(to make it play back randomly or whatnot) its a wonderful machine, and i personally wouldnt have the gall(or teh budget)to fry one itd just be nice to have a looper with some pinache or at worst, if i fry the thing(which im not even going to open the thing up until i get some good suggestions(if any))i can always make it onto a looper t-shirt "dont end up like this jackass" rodrigo << Circuit bending's generally much more productive on a device with a chip that's deeper than the interface would appear, that is, in order to cut production costs, there are fewer features than the IC supports [e.g. low-end Casios; the SK-1 is the archetypal circuit-bending guinea pig], or in a device which wasn't designed for strictly musical purposes [like a Speak & Spell], but uses a similar chip. This is often because the same chip could be used in several different devices, and it would be cheaper than designing a different one for each model. More sophisticated equipment usually has more features/controls/parameters already occupying those pin-outs, or software that really doesn't like encountering alternate circuit paths, so you'd probably get your most dramatic and rewarding results bending the cheap stuff, and you wouldn't be risking destroying something valuable. >>