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In a message dated 09/09/2000 12:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, switters@earthlink.net writes: << As much as you might claim that the listening audience has changed you should consider this- In his own day would more of the general listening public have gone to see Coltrane or Ricky Nelson? >> Survey says: Ricky Nelson, that crack-smoking oldies-touring plane-burner. I never suggested the listening audience has changed... it's just that quality, once defined, was and is very often an elitist thing. There are exceptions, but they are usually just exceptions. (Frank Sinatra, in the era referenced above, leapt to mind. For a time, he was both 'good' by most definitions, and popular.) Instead of Trane, I could have spoken of someone alive today, but that brings up judgments about current artists. (Can we all agree on someone alive today that is unquestionably 'good'? I bet it would be tough.) Otherwise, logic suggests that the Big Mac is haute cuisine based on its 'figures'. We all know better. As Pat Metheny ranted recently, 'We ignore this at our own peril.' And to be sure, my earlier rant was not anti-technology. My current rig includes an EDP and a brand-new TC Electronic G-Force. But I don't think it's wise to learn how to run Photoshop without learning to draw first, nor to compose via MIDI and Mac without learning how to play well with the drummer, or spell chords, or direct the audience by using silence, for instance. kb