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> Damon, Bill is exactly right. With all due respect I say: That is your > problem. Find a way to make 'em cheaper. From what I've read in your PDF > manual you have an incredibly awesome product (if it works :^). Now you need > an incredibly awesome price. Maybe you'll actually make money selling >them > "skins" for the front cover, or service, or software upgrades or... Well, yes, ultimately it is Damon's problem, but by forcing prices down like this, we end up with inferior product, manufactured in conditions that non of us would want out families working in. It's this kind of hard bargaining that has in part contributed to manufacturing being moved to countries that have fewer health and safety regulations, thus saving money for the companies, but contributing to the problems in a lot of countries in the far east. Quite a few music equipment manufacturers are making stuff in China now, where much of the factory labour is prison based, often people who are wrongly imprisoned for 'political crimes', who are then forced to work in inhumane conditions to make profit for the Chinese government and to increase the profit margins for western companies who are heading towards more and more price and quality cuts... It's the logical concequence of share-holder as opposed to stake-holder economics, and requires everyone who cares to do their bit. I've no idea what Damon's stance is on ethical trading, but by driving the street price lower and lower, more and more pressure will be on him to cut prices, and cheap labour is one way of doing that, though the lack of training involved in the work situation also means that quality suffers. If I buy a Repeater I'd much rather know that it's been made and checked by someone qualified, getting paid a sensible wage with all the health and safety issues that we take for granted in most of the west being looked out for... cheers Steve web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com ***solo gig in London on Nov 17th - see web-site for details***