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folks, though it is barely possible lies were told, it seem much more plausible to me that "mistakes were made". how many of you have made overly optimistic estimates of how little time a major, new project would take? but really, *we don't know*. in that case, wouldn't it make more sense to *ask* Damon what's up before calling him a liar? for the present, & if the reports are true, Electrix has a warehouse full of paid for boxes they *can't ship*. don't you think they are making every effort to remedy this situation? i propose we ask Damon (after giving him a bit of a rest from NAMM) how we can make donations to a Repeater Developers Late Night Jolt and Pizza Fund. they can probably use all the support they can get right now. (i'll send some Peet's coffee!) dan "we're all doing the best we can" mcmullen ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF