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Ahh, the crux of the bisquet. I am not so eloquent, however this moved me to say *yes*. A tree falling still vibrates the air, rain still would make the same vibrations which we declare as *sounds*, it is up to us as to how we perceive them. Looping and music in general say so much about the human spirit and our perception of reality. I recently downloaded mp3s of elephants that were given instruments and some direction, amazing, imo. They were improvising! If anyone has that link, please send it as if I seem to have lost it. I am searching my history. peace, jd Robert Eberwein wrote: > Dennis said, > > It sounds like a minor point, but it isn't. In removing the notion of > original *will* you leave only yourself to replace it. You ain't the >unmoved > mover. You make music when you make music. You don't make music when you > decide to perceive something pre-existing as music. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.