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....There have been a couple of posts recently I have put off adding to, but would now like to address. Someone wrote of a problem trying to their JamMan to do an AABA type song form with multiple loops. Remember that the JamBoy's max memory (with upgrade) is 32 sec. and that is for all your loops (not overdubs, but for each discrete loop...bank 1, bank 2 etc.), and that your second loop will be the same length as loop #1. If you are trying to do something with a "song" form I have found it possible to record loop 1 and then using MIDI program change commands punch in command #13 (cue loop 2), this allows you to "arm" (cue) loop 2 while loop 1 plays. When loop 1 reaches its start/stop point loop #2 will kick in...blank, and you are in record mode so start doing the 2nd loop. If there is enough memory left, then you can repeat this for a third loop. You can then use commands #12 (cue loop 1) and #13 (cue loop 2) while the other of the loops are playing so JamMan will toggle between those two song sections. Of course, getting the timing down for both loops is the problem. It REALLY helps if you are using a drum machine as the master midi clock, and that allows your tap in/outs to be (fairly) seamless. On that same subject: When I first started looping (with the JamMan BTW), I felt compelled and drawn to the "one man band" kinda concept. Approaching looping from the point being a solo bassist, that aspect ("sack yer band") seemed the most approachable. AH...then I discovered the inherent problems in looping. A looper really is not a "band in a box", nor is it a sequencer. And setting up verse/chorus type structures to "solo" over, while being a great deal of fun, left me a bit artistically empty. Even using drum machines with looping did not fullfull the aesthetic. I also found that drum machines and "normal" song structures, alienated a great deal of my potential audience...we've discussed that in another thread. I discovered that the looper is much more like an instrument in its own right...albeit one that requires an outside sound source. This revelation allowed me embrace the inherent problems in using loops. Yes there are some limitations. Doing "song" type compositions is very demanding. Loop lengths (esp. on my JamMan and DL4) are limited. At first I felt this to be limiting, but I find those same "limitations" inspiring and welcomed. Having unlimited options, in my opinion, is not the answer (although all that memory in the EDP and the Repeater is intriguing). But rather I would like to make the most with a limited set of options; a finite universe which I know well. If I want to do "song" type compositions, with multiple parts and changes, or complex arrangemnets, I'll work with a band. In that sense I can fullfill the need for song forms and still do loops for texture. For looping shows I now mainly play my acoustic bass guitar, provide my own percusion loops by preparing or "playing" with the many percussive qualities of that instrument, and use a JamMAn and DL4 un-synced! By having a limited set of options in this way I must use my own talents and knowledge to explore the depths of harmony and rhythm and melody to create finished music. Sure muted slaps and taps do not sound like a drum machine's snare or conga samples....but in way the work out better. I can alter a melody over a repeated/looped chordal part and that changes the "quality" of the harmony in the loop (something we bass players have known about for a long time...) Using a looper AS an instrument allows me to conceive and execute compositional and textural structures which are new and (sometimes) wild and working within the technical limitations of the machine allows me to explore further the depths of music. Sometimes limitaions can be good things...... Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com