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I meant AS, not SG; absolutely no offense meant. (Anyhow, anyone who stoops so low as to hear what I have to say will likely get an earful of dirt.) It does bring to bear/bare the notion of creative error though through misunderstanding. Years ago, when I worked with Kim at Gibson, the engineers used to bring me things to beta because I was the office lackey, not an engineer: because I didn't know how things were supposed to work, I was good at breaking them. I am curious about how loopers feel about looping. Is the occasional creative error is a sort of break in an image consciousness, a break through to something that was already there, like the chrysalis cracking open for a butterfly, a rupture of expectations in the realizing of what was alrady there and would inevitably appear, i.e., the true song, or a random occurrence that, through sheer attraction to its unexpectedness, takes over the song. Any apparent coincidence between the preceeding paragraph and the original Echoplex manual is purely apparitional coincidence. ;) N