Tim, actually, the DL-4 allows for a 28 sec. looptime. If you switch it into it's "slower" mode, before you record a loop, the time is doubled. So far, I've not noticed any loss of fidelity. As for the RC-20 specifics, I'm not completely familiar with them, but it seems to me you'd be able to record a blank loop of your desired time, terminate it, and then restart it in record mode, but then actually begin recording sound. -Hope this made some sense, and might be of some help. -Good luck!, K? Smiles, G At 08:54 PM 6/2/01, you wrote: >Hi, > >First time poster, though I've done a fair amound of lurking on the >archives on the web. > >I'm not really a looper yet, but am hoping to get into it quite soon. Most >of my performances are as a solo singer-songwriter playing acoustic >guitar. >My primary use of a looper would be to create grooves and backgrounds to >solo over. There would be more to it than that, I know, but that's the >main >use. > >The LD4 looks great to me, with all the features and flexibilty I would >need, except for the 14.4 second maximum on loops. So I've been intrigued >by the RC-20. > >I tried it out for a while at Guitar Center today, with the clerk hanging >right there, since they had just got one unit in and he was very >interested >himself. > >Having up to 5.5 minutes for a loop is a HUGE plus. I'm not interested in >using any pre-recorded loops, so I think I could clear those out and have >the entire memory available for a live loop. > >But there seems to be one main drawback as far as I can tell. With the >LD4, >when you are recording a loop and want to set the end point, depending on >the switch you use you can have the loop start again either in play mode >or >overdub mode, a nice flexibility. > >But with the RC-20 it seems there is not that same flexibilty. You set the >end point of the loop and have it restart by hitting the left switch. This >leaves you with the loop playing, like play mode on the LD4. To get into >overdub mode you have to hit the same switch again. I imagine with >practice >one could get this sequence down pretty well, but you'd never be able to >get to a mode where you're overdubbing right from the re-start of the >loop. > >This seems like it would be a real pain. I'd love to know there is a way >around this. > >The other thing is the lack of the function the expression pedal adds to >the LD4 of controlling the loop level. > >The question is whether the much longer loop time compensates for this. >I'm >thinking it might end up doing do for me. But if someone could tell me I'm >missing something about how to go right into overdub mode, that would be >great... > > > > >Tim Helmen >Debut CD "Room For Cream" available June 2001 >info at http://TimHelmen.com >tim@TimHelmen.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..."