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words of wisdom, Martin!!! They still talk about "ethics" with mixers...ridiculous! italoop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tauchen" <Pohon-Kelapa@t-online.de> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: What the heck is Behringer doing? > Behringer copy some designs and constructions.That is not a wonder to me. > A lot of tools we use,are mostly copies of something else. > > In the pharmaceutical buisiness we call such "products" generica.After a > time > such companies offers such copies of products at a low price.So I trace > Behringer > as a "Generica" reseller. > The "original" producer had immense costs to develop a "medical" product,so > he is > protected by International laws for some years.After this time everyone can > bring a > "copy" of this product on the market. > Actually seen on the debate in Africa,where gouverments want to allow to > produce > copies of medical product-wich can help a little bit against the negative > effects > of HIV infection.The Pharmaindustry will not allow it,because it is still in > the > protected phase of the copyright.But in Africa no one can afford this > medecine. > So these gouverments decided to ripp Generica from the original design. > From this case,I have also my doubts about Dow Chemical and Co.Profit > orientated. > The latest News was that they have found now a compromise. > Nevertheless,the discussion before it was not a sign of morality in this > case. > > Behringer rips maybe somethings of.But all devices are not totally brandnew > technology, > wich need a special protection.Functions are nearly similar.A mixing console > will be > always a mixing console.How it will be designed depends on the engineers.And > most parts > of a mixing console come again from different producers,where all M-Console > produce shop. > The same is valid for FX-devices and other audio equipment. > According to the streetprice,we should not wonder,that Behringer products > are not the > best,but they are also not filthy. > > If we trace it really strict and puristic,the whole digital Music >products > were ripped off > from Standford University.FM Synthesis was developed there in the > seventies,a first commercial > product-the DX7 was released in 1983. > The same for phyical Modelling.Developed in the early eighties and > manifested as consumertool in > 1993 -again Yamaha with VL1. > > One word to China.The situation for labours there is really not OK.but in > Indonesia,Malaysia and > Taiwan the simple labour is in a similar situation like in China.Ever >seen > how they work there ? > And what are there rights ? The only difference between China and the others > is the political > system. > And when HongKong was still under british gouverment.Ever seen old people > living in their birdcage ? > After a life of long hard work,this was their last place for living.Two > Squaremeter space with a > hight of 1,5 meter.Looking like a birdcage. > > And at least,everyone knows,that Bill Gates Microsoft is the worlds greatest > Ripper. > > > Marty > > > > > > ---------- > >Von: Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> > >An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Betreff: Re: What the heck is Behringer doing? > >Datum: Son, 10. Jun 2001 19:46 Uhr > > > > >>Most producers let produce in China,Taiwan,Indonesia and so on.Full > >>assembled or half assembeled. > > > >I have nothing against Taiwan and Indonesia... > > > >China is kinda disturbing to me because at least > >some of the work is done with slave labour (I doubt that > >they have prisoners putting together circuit boards, though). > > > >But I can't just not buy computers and electronics, it's > >what I do. > > > >(I mean, I do a lot of things, and that's one of them.) > > > > > >>So if you avoid to buy Behringer for such reasons,you > >>should also avoid to > >>buy products of all this other companies who does it the same. > >>At least there will be not left a lot wich you can choose from ! > > > >No, I wouldn't avoid Behringer for just that reason, it'd be crazy. > > > >But given also that they do copy other designs, which bothers me > >as a programmer and thus an intellectual property worker! > >and that their stuff is a little flimsy, > >I'll give their products a pass. > > > > /t > > > > > > that was fast > > > >.......all legal games of chess <http://solveChess.com/chess?refresh=0>...... > >.....programmer's documentation <http://solveChess.com/doc>.................. > > >