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For the sake of whoever is collecting the statistics , I'm 28, engaged, do make my living from playing/writing/recording and teaching music (which I don't see as separate from the creative process, rather a vital part of it...) I do have some rather wonderful gear (DL4, JamMan, MPX-G2), but can't afford one or two of everything, have a fairly understanding partner who is also a rather good singer-songwriter, but who does get pissed off with the hours and hours of answering music related e-mail every day (hey, being the 'gadget guru' for Bassist then Guitarist magazine does tend to generate a heck of a lot of e-mail, even though the column ended 6 months ago!! :o) I also feel hugely fortunate to be able to play music 'for myself' but have enough people respond to it that I can make a living from it. I honestly have no idea what would happen if I came to the position where I was asked to change what I was doing for the sake of making more money. It hasnt' happened yet, I put together my own label in order to release my CD so that I had complete control of the whole process from recording to mixing to packaging, artwork and promotion. I don't actually think there's much of an ideological split between the pros and not pros on this list, as most of the pros seem to manage to be fairly uncompromised in what they are doing (is Splattercell a scheming commercial project???? I seriously doubt it!!! :o) We just happen to be fortunate enough to either make enough money to live, or be able to live on less money than we might otherwise have got used to if we'd ever had big money jobs! And I'll add that I've met a fair few people from this list, and they are all very cool indeed - Had a very enjoyable evening recently with Luca and Roberto, eating fine food and talking insessently about music and looping for hours - Luca's poor wife must have been bored out of her mind, but was incredibly gracious to us... :o) I'm really looking forward to meeting a load more of you through the various upcoming loop fests, starting on Thursday in Burbank..!!! BTW, the Manring/Walker/Lawson trio now had a gig in San Jose at the museum of art , a week on Sunday - e-mail Rick Walker ( GLOBAL@cruzio.com ) for more info - Rick, along with our Sacremento promotor Daniel Elliott, has done an unbelieveable job on putting this tour together. The guy has boundless energy, amazing focus, enthusiasm and creativity, and has given way above and beyond what any reasonable person could expect. three cheers for Rick... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk