At 6:04 PM -0700 8/1/01, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Sorry Tom, but where I come from when someone tells you something >like, "as soon >as we get a power supply..." at a point when they're 10 months away >from having >finished software, you are being lied to. When you're told a >shipping date at a >point when "nasty crashes and lock-ups...or card memory corruption!!" is >even >close to being an issue, you are being lied to. Hey, those were MY words, not Electrix'! >Maybe in the sunny love love land >where you live, everyone tries very hard at their job and does a great >job, Actually, it's New York City (as if y'all didn't know that) so it's not particularly sunny and love love. <self-aggrandizement> However, I personally manage to deliver a pretty astounding volume of high-quality code, specifications and documentation myself... and the other people I work with are pretty swift too. But I've been doing it a long time. I expect to see a lot of bugs in other people's code, particularly if I wasn't involved, and I expect that these might take a very long time to fix. </self-aggrandizement> I might add that real-time code is the hardest to debug. >but >here in the real world, I find people that call themselves "project >managers" or >"marketing engineers" to talk out their ass on a regular basis. It is pretty variable, but yes. >Setting >unrealistic due dates is one of their greatest skills. I'd love to here >an >uncensored version of what's going on at Electrix from an >engineer/software >engineer. I'd bet we'd all have a nice chuckle. well, here's a joke. Q: what's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman? A: the used car salesman knows when he's lying. ><nelson> Ha ha </nelson> ! Glad to have some more Repeater rumours to waste our time on, I was beginning to actually get some work done. /t <http://ax.to/fortune>.........a new fortune every minute. <http://FortNY.com>..................Forteans of New York.