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RE: Using a Looper with a mixer

Hello Hans,

Thanks for the detailed signal path.  This is definitely another way
that I have yet to consider in setting up all these great effects and
processors.  From what you and others have mentioned, getting everything
balanced properly seems to be critical, regardless of the paths (series,
parallel) taken.


> Hi Steve-
> Here's how I like to connect my EDP to my mixer; I've tried 
> it different ways, but this is how I like to do it.  Other 
> people like to do it other ways, and get different results.  
> BTW, my mixer is a Mackie LM-32.  I think I remember that you 
> also use a mackie mixer, so this should work for you as well.
> I connect the mixer's monitor out to the input of the EDP.  
> Since the monitor out is stereo and the EDP is mono, I only 
> use the left side of the monitor out.  This works well 
> because my inputs are generally mono anyway and I don't pan 
> the signals, so left and right signals are about the same.  
> For Repeater (when they get the wet/dry thing fixed) I'll use 
> both left and right, and be more adventurous with my panning.
> So when I want to send a signal or a combination of signals 
> to the looper, I just press their solo buttons on the mixer, 
> and they appear at the monitor out.  I also get a little red 
> light that tells me what's being sent to the looper at all 
> times, and i can hear it in my headphones.  Now what's 
> important here is to get all of the levels right so that you 
> get the same level out of the looper as you do out of the 
> master.  Here are my settings:
> * EDP output fully clockwise
> * EDP mix fully clockwise (all loop [wet])
> * EDP input channel on the mixer at unity
> * monitor level at unity
> * solo level at unity
> * adjust the EDP input level until your loop is at the same 
> level as what you are looping
> This assumes that you aren't actually using your monitor buss 
> for monitoring.
> Caution:  If, in the heat of the moment, you forget to press 
> the solo button for what you think you are looping, you will 
> loop the main mix. 
> This can be ugly and embarrassing.  Also, I tend to get 
> clipping on the EDP at above +6db with bass signals, so try 
> to keep the levels under control.
> Good luck, and feel free to ask me any more questions about 
> it.  The rest of you, feel free to criticize as necessary.
> -Hans
> >   
> > 
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> > --
> > 
> > Subject: RE: Using a Looper with a mixer
> > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:54:59 -0500
> > From: "M. Steven Ginn" <sginn@airmail.net>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > 
> > Hi Richard,
> > 
> > How should I analyze how I want to manipulate my sounds?  How do I 
> > learn so I can better understand the musical implications of 
> > series/parallel and pre/post faders?  I have Craig Anderton's book 
> > about effects and I understand at a basic level things like delay 
> > should come before reverb and compression should usually be 
> first in 
> > the signal chain as well.  I am using a line mixer to combine the 
> > sounds of all my synths into a single audio pair which I can then 
> > begin routing in series through my compressor, delay, 
> looper, reverb 
> > or send to a mixer where I blend in these effects using aux 
> busses.  
> > But which is the best way (musically and quality) is what I am not 
> > sure about.  For me, keeping everything in series is more time 
> > efficient when setting up and tearing down my rig, but if 
> it is going 
> > to sacrifice potential musical and sonic quality and 
> flexibility then 
> > I would bring along the external mixer and use the aux bus approach.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Steve
> >