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its funny you should mention that... back in 1982 i discovered what i call 'perpetual music' where i would create loops of various lengths and let them run against each other. this provided for an ultimately infinitely long sonic landscape piece. some of these i recorded at various lengths. they are very relaxing! back then i used *tap* echoplexes (remember tape?), analogue sequencers and DDL's. I would set up loops on all these things and then mix them and leave them be to play away. my last perpetual music piece was done in around 1992 where i recorded a number of ambient synth tracks on a midi sequencer without listening to the previous tracks as i recorded a new track. then i played them all back together, looped at their different lengths and then wrote out a set of midi mix tracks that were also asynchronized. when it played back the tracks would snake and mix around each other and provide a very cool and relaxing sonic landscape. i was going to try the same thing with the repeater although you can't get that asynch thing happening. plexus At 05:03 PM 9/12/2001, you wrote: >I personally hope/believe that things like prayer, meditation, making a >special loop and letting it run- possibly help to create order on >sub-atomic levels etc- which can have far reaching effects- however subtle >they may be- >Although the loop itself in RAM may not be doing much (or it may- who >knows) >the mental effect of your knowing about it etc may be the more obvious >effect- like group prayer no matter what religon may create the same >positive results- I think of the Olympic Flame etc as an example in a way- >knowing the flame is alive has an effect on our physiology- which has an >effect on the universe- >I think these ideas are subtle to the extreme- but I like them anyway- the >more I learn about physics the more I believe. Funny- I think Einstein and >the rest expressed a heightened spiritual element in their lives as a >result >of all the science they were involved in I think- Maybe the possibilities >I >see in science/physics are advancing to the point where they could support >ideas like prayer helping people far away etc. > >I know the loops I have running at home are good for me- maybe in turn >that >spreads good farther than myself- a nice thought regardless of your >beliefs- > >Cliff > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "petr" <petr@tryi.com> >To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:16 PM >Subject: Re: OT - 9-11-01 -- looping prayers > > > > > Or how about we all donate a pint of blood if we really want to > > help. I > > > think that would be a lot more appreciated. Kevin > > > > *** You mean *only* *appreciated*, not *objectively* *helpful*, right? > > Otherwise I would love to know how one can evaluate physical touchable > > versus spiritual invisible help. > > > > I actually am thinking a lot about looping positive energy, verbal or > > otherwise. Any feelings about this? It seems to me that in fact > > making a loop containing a positive energy, although then kept > > mechanically running, could be seen in the same way as engraving > > sacred symbols into a rock, making icons, or whatever else in this > > realm. > > > > petr > > > >