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usually people do this by going directly into overdub from record, and then fading out their sound. It gives much smoother drones. (just like with using a delay, actually, since the delay input stays open, except you can define the loop length on the fly with a looper.) Repeater unfortunately doesn't allow you to do this. You have to use work-arounds like recording a blank loop first, then starting your loop by overdubbing onto that. On other loopers you can go directly into Overdub from record. You might look for one of the Korg DL8000R stereo delays, that was a stereo delay with 5 seconds per side, or 10 seconds mono. Out of production now, so maybe they are cheap used. Some reviews on the Looper's Delight page for it: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/korgDL8000R/korgDL8000R.html kim At 09:00 AM 10/9/2001, you wrote: >I own a repeater and do ambient loops all the time. I'm not sure what >"bump" you're talking about. Are you looking for a perfect drone? I >can't imagine that's possible. Zerocrossing issues will always trip you >up. Why not use a volume pedal to smooth out the start of loop? >Sprinkle liberally with reverb, and you'll have a pretty "bump" free loop. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 01:32 AM, John Tidwell wrote: > >>You're probably looking for something with stereo >>ins & outs, but...... >> >>The Digitech 2120 has a mono in & stereo outs. It >>would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel. >> >>John >> >> >>--- Simeon Harris <simeon.harris@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the >>>moment it's not cutting >>>the mustard with respect to ambient loops, because >>>of the "bump" problem on >>>the loop boundary - so i was thinking about getting >>>some sort of delay >>>device, so i can carry on making my ambient loops. >>>what i need is actually a very simple device - two >>>12 second delays in >>>parallel, but there doesn't seem to be anything out >>>there that will do the >>>job in a rack unit - i could get two echoplexes, or >>>try and find another two >>>jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or >>>use two tc electronic >>>d-two's, but they will all cost me masses of wedge! >>> >>>can anybody think of a cheaper option, or know where >>>i could get something >>>made, that's not going to cost me an arm and a leg - >>>it's only a delay unit, >>>after all! >>> >>>cheers, >>> >>>sim >>> >>> >>>This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If >>>you have received >>>it in error, please delete it from your system, do >>>not use or disclose >>>the information in any way, and notify me >>>immediately. The contents of >>>this message may contain personal views which are >>>not the views of the >>>BBC, unless specifically stated. >> >> >>===== >>John Tidwell >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just >>$8.95/month. >>http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com