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>I can get a used DL-4 pretty cheap, I haven't tried it out. Anyone here >have >an opinion on it? > >Carl Jacobson > I for one love it. I would give it high grades particularly on (stereo) sound quality and usability in a live situation. My usage is mainly for its loop delay but also the other "regular" delay & echo effects are great. It does have some idiosyncrasies such as unsuppressed artifacts when changing the delay time (although this can also be used as an effect in itself). Also it's a fixed-level input which can lead to clipping when overdriven (a compressor/limiter on the input might help here) but I have no problem as my setup is tweaked to a fixed output on the driving device anyway. I use it with an expression pedal (an old Roland one I still had, RC-5 I think it's called), of which the main benefit is being able to gradually change between two different presets (one combination of the knob controls on toe, another on heel, and all graduations in between - this is a great feature!) The 14 second maximum loop time (28 in half-speed mode) might be considered a limitation - I consider it a price trade-off (comp. e.g. the rack-mount 60sec version at what .. 500$?) I have it featured prominently on some tracks on my band Fractal's website if you care for a listen (fairly long tracks mostly): http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-nat-anthem.html (no looping but uses the sweep echo setting with expression pedal to create the delay change artifacts I just mentioned) http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-echo.html (loop delay) http://home.pacbell.net/adrian_c/music-consolation.html (loop delay) Offering no (hypocritical) apologies for the blatant plug;-). Hope this helps! Nic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp