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Thanks Andy- I will definitely have to check it out- the tracking of lowest bass note while still playing chords sounds VERY cool- my DOD Octave won't be missed. Cliff -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Subharmonic Synth > I see a few different models- there is a digital one etc- any that are > better/worse? > Hi Cliff, I've been messing about with the new Behringer Virtualizer 2024. Has a very nice sub oct patch. It can produce a synthetic bass note which tracks the lowest note from the guitar, (but allows chords to be played normally). You can decide "how far up the neck" you want the effect to go. This sounds like one of those octave stomp boxes, except that in only works on the lowest notes. Tracking is excellent. Also on the same patch there's also a sort of subharmonic generator which works even if your speakers don't go down far enough, (tricks the ear into hearing a fundamental that isn't really there). This is very smooth and transparent. Makes the guitar sound bigger and more bassy. I haven't tried the DBX units, so can't give you a comparison, but the Behringer would seem to have more options. (and a cheapo harmoniser if you want to do sub-oct that way on occasion) andy butler