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- memory utilization of a given amount of ram should be physically equivalent on different platforms, given the same same sample resolution (i.e. 16-bit, 44.1khz). caveats for systems that use portions of this storage space for meta data, or any programatic method for compressing audio. - there's actually 8mb of ram built into the repeater. i'm using a 256mb flash card from simpletech as additional storage on the repeater with no tragic glitches resulting from the media. it may support as much ram as 512, if i'm not mistaken. media access latency does appears to be a factor in the repeater's 'drag', and i've been attempting to compensate for the repeater's latency on a continuing basis. i've recently been getting more accurate loop start/stop times whilst recording hand drums after plugging away for a while, and using the click *shudder*, i wish the click could send a midi signal or use it's own channel, but ob la di. we adapt by nature i guess. i haven't eliminated unintentional blarfs entirely, but i see the prospect of minimizing them. btw, is anyone aware of a midi string that will do a copy loop function? but i degress ... um, short answer for the boss vs. repeater is close enough. give or take a few bytes for meta data. hmmm, i know a tinker/carpenter guy who's first thought would probably be to rig a way to operate a cd player using foot switches, fine carved wood, and infra-red signals (aha! now i'll have to call him and tell him about this just to get him actually considering it). hmmm, maybe take a tip from the dj's and use two cd players and a crossfade pedal to avoid track seek latency and have layering. ;-) now I'M considering it ... nawwwww. wait ..... nawwwww. oooo, there's those cd dj thingines. you could be shwinging little plastic disks with your fingtips, cross fading with one foot and filtering with the other. nawwww... looping live material is jsut really fun and wacky. but infra-red switching now, hmmm. less wires, still only light speed, watch out for mirrored pants, mic stands, disco balls on the floor, and delinquents with infra-red pens and just enough wit to be challenging. hmmmm ... do de do, mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Yoder" <myoder@tamiu.edu> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Need suggestions for sampling/storing loops > My sincere thanks to all for the input thus far. > > Kim is right: I had thought about the CD player solution, but that > would involve using my hands too much. What I like about the Line 6 > and Boss loopers is that both hands can stay on the fretless bass and > the feet operate the looper. Furthermore, it seems intuitively that a > CD player would be harder to quickly change the number of times the > loops would be played (I guess "last-minute arranging" is a good term > for that?). A sequencer would, I believe, solve that sort of thing. > > From the hype, these Yamaha/Korg/Boss "groove boxes" are designed to > loop samples. This seems to be what I desire most. My big concern > is memory, followed by editing capabilities (how to "massage" each > loop to be stored so that it sounds like the original loop produced > in the Line 6 or Boss loopers.) > > But from what y'all are saying, it sounds like I need to find out > more about the Repeater, because if I'm understanding it correctly, > it seems to be a looper with a big-ass memory (with the 128 meg > storage card), providing the capability to create loops on that unit > in the first place, then store and recall the loops for later use. If > what Kim says is correct about the half-second pause, however, the > Repeater would be less appealing. From the "Tools of the Trade" > section of the LD home site, there seem to be pros and cons that I > need to better understand. Thus, more homework is in order. > > This leaves me with one question. . . .I really am not very > elctronic/computer savvy: Is 128 megs on one machine the same thing > as 128 megs on another, in terms of length of storage time at a given > sampling rate? For example, the Boss SP505 can take a 128 meg card. > Would that hold roughly the same length of sampling/looping time as > the Repeater with 128 meg card? > > Thanks again. > > Michael > > > > >At 10:03 AM 4/10/2002, you wrote: > >>Or maybe his reasoning is the ability to select and start loops > >>quickly, without a pause, without changing media. If so, the Repeater > >>would rectify that. It'd also add the ability to change the tempo & > >>pitch of the saved loops on the fly. > > > >Unlike a sampler, when you trigger loops on the Repeater there is > >about a half second pause before it plays the loop. An actual > >sampler is a better choice if you want to be triggering different > >prerecorded loops live from midi or a sequencer. I think all the > >ones Michael mentioned have the same tempo and pitch change features > >for loops that Repeater has. > > > >Also, he said he wanted a sequencer built in, which neither a cd > >player nor the repeater have. > > > > > >kim > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ _______ > >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Michael S. Yoder, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Geography and Urban Studies > Texas A&M International University > Department of Social Sciences > 5201 University Blvd. > Laredo, TX 78041 > (956) 326-2634 FAX (956) 326-2459 > http://www.tamiu.edu/~myoder/ > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >