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oh yeah. agreed and then some. looping will not help most sound better. some folks will use gear as an extension. that's where i get off. the rest is kinda horse-shite to me. but i am a little tired. best regards, Pedro Felix - NYC 2002 ai, still doing the weekly gig at Chama, Thursday's 9/30pm-??am, 332 East 4th Street, NYC, NY. --- Legion <legion@HelpWantedProductions.com> wrote: > OK forgive the baiting title but there is a point to > this. From all the > recent discussions on moving to somewhere else > because the "loop > community" seems stronger, to Loopfests and such I > felt I had to pipe > up. > > The greatest music I have heard from loopers (from > the Looper's Delight > CDs to recommendations in posting from Phil Keaggy > to David Zorn) seems > to me to be good *despite* looping, not because of > it. Now don't get me > wrong, I am all for looping and looping tools, and > repetition, and > messing with sound backwards, sideways, and again > and again in-yo-face. > I think my personal track record (for those of you > who know me LOL) > speaks for itself. BUT I personally feel that > looping *itself* isn't the > point, even on a list of people called the Looper's > Delight. It's what > you DO with looping and boy there is some *great* > stuff done with > looping out there. > > This may be stating the obvious but the gist I was > getting is some > people feel that they need to go somewhere where > looping is encouraged > or more prevalent and things would be different for > them. I think that > is a red herring. Loop where you are and DO > something YOU want to do > with it. Let's face it, looping and looping tools > are pretty damn geeky > as a rule. We don't do this for the money or > glamour, we do it because > our brains are wired differently (wrong? :)) Given > that, you don't need > to move across the country to be "successful" in > looping or even play a > gig with three or ten other loopers. As a matter of > fact I've found more > success when I *didn't* play with other loopers but > as part of a diverse > lineup of other acts. You reach more people that way > and some of them > even kind of dig it. I personally think I played > better too. > > Phil Keaggy is consider an amazing *musician* not > known to the general > public as a looper. Adrian Belew uses looping out > the wazoo but he also > has a strong pop sensibility and tremendous talent > as a songwriter and > singer. Etc. People do fabulous things with all > sorts of boxes. Buying > an EDP or Jamman or whatever or seeing a band with > one doesn't mean > it'll be interesting or good or shite, it's just a > box after all. Let's > not forget where the loop soul comes from. > > Again, I am ALL for wanking and looping for the sake > of it too. (Lord > knows I am!) That is fun and has it's place as much > as anything else. > But let's keep it in perspective, we can (and DO ) > do that anywhere. You > don't HAVE to move or congregate to play. If you > mix it up or play > with other bands I guarantee you will not only get a > bigger audience but > you'll find your loop chops improving as well. > > And BTW Chicago is the GREATEST musical community > this country has to > offer IMO. I'd move from SF to there instead of the > other way around > LOL! > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music > since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery > with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, > Casios, and more. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com