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Second that - thanks Rick for providing this very approachable view of what it is that brings us together here. It's the gear - right? <just kidding> Actually - the question of 'looping' as a free-standing musical style has always been a non-issue. No more relevant than whether or not we incorporate the 'multimedia experience' to the mix, or whether you choose acrylics over oils. Fact is art needs no labels in and of itself. They do provide a convenient way of talking about certain artists or approaches, and helps identify certain things that artists have in common. In general I find labels too convenient for non-artists to pigeonhole works that they feel compelled to comment on... The crew on this list probably all transcend the label, though -in one way or another. Dan Ash