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Now now, Mr. Wyatt, self-flagellation is not necessary. Ye said, > I think my point earlier was just due to my frustration that I might be > stuck permanently with OS1.1 - Its buggy, could have so many options, > more midi implementation etc. etc. Indeed, if there were ANY company that was both willing and able to put serious money and muscle behind a deep, dedicated hardware looper, things would be very different. One of the first things a dedicated loopist has to learn to live with is the frequent uncertainty of just how long-term of a committment a parent company might give to supporting the product in the marketplace. It was that way with the JamMan, it has sporadically been that way with the EDP, and it now seems to be that way with the Repeater... > I have found it highly limited at > times. I personally REALLY LIKE limits. I really dig the fact that there are some things the EDP not only can't do, but never even tried to do in the first place. It's got a fairly strict and specific focus, which I find increasingly attractive as time goes on: it helps me focus specifically on features that I know I want to deal with. > Given time, testings etc. etc. I really think that the Repeater > can be a mind blowing gadget. I personally think it already IS a mind blower. Can you think of any other hardware unit on the market that can do all the things it does with a US street price of under $600? > I know the hardware exists inside the box, > and it is just up to the software to route/process audio. [/rant] Ah, but actually getting the software to do the stuff is the tricky part. Matthias Grob had to pull some seriously long months and years (literally) to get LoopIV to do what it does with the processor inside the EDP, which Matthias described as being the equivalent of a Mac Plus. It was no mean feat at all, and it was done almost entirely as a labor of love for several years. There are lots of cool things the Repeater does that no other looper can. If I was going to work with one, I think the first thing I'd do would be to start delving into the things that are largely unique to that unit itself - timestretching in particular is an intriguing proposition to me. At the risk of sounding like an idealistic optimist, my advice would be to look at the Repeater in terms of what it CAN do, as opposed to what it CAN'T do. That doesn't mean people shouldn't push for additional features, or relay any frustrations with the current OS to the designers. What it means, to me, is that it's a different instrument with a unique feature set. If there's a lesson to be learned from the EDP in that regard, I'd say that it's important to explore the features that are already in a unit, just as much as asking for new features that aren't in there yet. NO looper can do everything, and if there was one that COULD, I think it'd be awfully difficult to decide what to do with it in the first place. :) > To hear how passionate people are about this box > really highlights my ignorance in the unit, > and feeling embarrassed for saying what I did. Well, I spent the first two years of this list highlighting my own ignorance about countless things, so I'm well ahead of you in the self-induced public embarassment department. ;) Take care, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com