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Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > so, where *is* the edge of the damned envelope? I think the phenomena we're talking about has been going on forever. I think there are always going to be people that don't feel like they fit in to mainstream culture, and therefore need to find ways to communicate in a way that makes them stand out, and perhaps be admired. Finding something "new" sublimates the need to "fit in." By the time mainstream media points to something and says, "Look, it's pushing the envelope!" It's probably on the order of decades old, but now discovered and borrowed by someone who's got a foot firmly in the mainstream. I'm sorry, but the first time I heard Radiohead I thought, "Oooo, the Kinks have a new album out, and it sounds kind of Pink Floydy" Now there's adding more electronica influenced production into their music, and that's great (I loved Kid A) but they are on the cutting edge of nothing, in my opinion, but I don't think that should influence anyone's opinion of their music. Good is good, if you like it. Funny, I saw Laurie Anderson's "Whale Show" a few years ago, and unlike her stuff in the late 70s and 80s I thought, "Oh, there's nothing here that couldn't be done with hardware and software bought at The Guitar Center. Now, that's truly a big deal, IMO. As technology prices plummet, and quality soars, we're really going to see the advent of a new kind of "pop" star. One that can supersede the traditional album making process and go directly to the people. I think it's already happening. Mark Sottilaro