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>>> yeah, it's a different approach. personally, i like to integrate things wherever possible, so..... sometimes i'm the one making the original bleeping that's being looped, and at other times i'm looping other sources --- inputs from microphones on the sax-ist, the drummer, bassist, singer, etc..... many times, though, all of the previous might wind up in one of a few parallel loops, or in the same one..... i do find that the 'looping' of someone else's performance (or, a-performance) conveys a completely different perspective, both as a 'player' and as a listener.....<<< I did the recently with vibraphonist Orphy Robinson - I ran his MALLET KAT MIDI vibes thingie into my loop set up, and tweaked away - it was great fun, and when we play live, I'm thinking of having a line from the MALLET KAT into my raven labs DI, so I can bring it in and out when I want to to loop bits in with my bass nonsense... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk