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Hi all, This really says it all! I am a computer programmer and if I didn't spend time learning the language I am using at the time I could not effectively do my job! I may be able to fix the current problem but I doubt I could demand a higher salary without that knowledge. Thanks, Weg From: Andre LaFosse <altruist@earthlink.net> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Torn EDP manual Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:15:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc2-f23.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.30]) by mc2-s3.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:53 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc2-f23.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:21:25 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost)by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08397;Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: <altruist@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D3F2708.80CB610A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en References: <NLENJCFDELCKILACCPCBCEODCAAA.dennis@mail.worldserver.com> <3D3DA74E.EBB24581@zerocrossing.net> <000b01c23337$ad353b40$3c2b93d4@black> <3D3F1458.79591767@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <pj8YlD.A.IDC.FfyP9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/22376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 22:21:26.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[73493610:01C23360] Yo Mark, (Glad you like the new stuff, by the way - thanks for that!) Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Unlike the Repeater, the EDP does not have an intuitive interface. > Plain and simple. I was able to start using the Repeater's basic functions without > looking at it's manual. Here's a different way of looking at it: When you buy a new instrument, you need to spend time to learn how to play it. A lot of aspects of an instrument's design that might seem "unintuitive" at first glance are actually very intricately interwoven and laid out, and make a lot of sense - once you've developed a certain level of understanding with it. This is one reason why people like Kim tend to drae a distinction between "effects" and "instruments." It's not just a question of how they can be used, but how the user/player learns to think about them and their interface, and how that interface can (or should) be implemented in the first place. For my part, I would say the EDP's interface is INCREDIBLY intuitive - but it's not the sort of thing I would expect anyone to master in half a week's time, any more so than I'd expect anyone to be up and running at full speed on a new instrument in that time. To fully take advantage of the (extremely deep) architecture of the unit, you need to learn to think about it from its own point of view. That might not happen overnight. Any good and deep instrument takes time to learn, and if you want to use the EDP on a deep level, you need to set aside your instant gratification impulse and begin at the beginning. Everybody knows what Pitch Shifting and Timestretching and Track Panning do, so it makes sense that the Repeater would be easy to use out of the box. But you need to understand the EDP to a certain extent to start figuring out exactly what Unrounded Multiply, SUS-insert, Substitute, or Cycle+Confirm SwitchQuantization can do for you. My suggestion is to sit down and say, "OK, today I'm going to learn all about Multiply," and read through the Multiply section in the manual. You'll find that the section makes many references to other sections in the manual, which will lead you into looking up other functions and parameters. It's kind of like the EDP itself: the more time you spend learning about any one feature, the more you'll understand the unit as a whole - and the more you'll grow to appreciate the true depth of the instrument's design. Welcome to the club. ;) --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com Weg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com