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The "overdub on an empty loop" method is a good workaround for almost any looper to avoid loop-point artifacts on droney/floaty material. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Chance" <lrc8918@louisiana.edu> I have a Gibson echoplex and I just acquired an electrix repeater. One of my primary goals in looping is to create multitimbral sustained ambient drones. the echoplex does this very nicely with no pops or other artifacts that occur as you record over the start point of your loop. I was hoping to get a more versatile (and stereo) version of this same ability in the repeater. Unfortunately, this was not to be. After some experimentation, I discovered that on overdub, as a drone or sustained note was recorded over the start point, there was a distinct artifact (a popping sound sometimes, an amplitude inconsistency others). I finally decided that this was because the echoplex is based on a delay architecture rather than a sampler/recorder architecture like the repeater. I think what is happening in the repeater is that on overdub the sample is actually mixed and resampled with each pass rather than the more traditional method of creating an infinite delay loop.