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doug, >Interesting. I had always heard it attributed to Elvis Costello. Now, >based on your input, I did a little research, and found this: >http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm >Seems like a lot of people are confused about it's origins ;) indeed! in fact, i heard frank zappa say this *waaaaaay* back in the 1970's; he was quoting someone, but i don't know whom..... i vaguely remembered him mentioning either varése or slonimsky in the same breath. i did see (-but-) on the net that someone attributed this to ernest hemingway, who mouthed it when asked what he thought of varése's piece, 'ionisation'. best, dt / splattercell