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Dear Lou, While I prefer using the Echoplex Digital Pro for looping, I've began using Max/MSP this summer with a PowerBook, and the Tascam US428 USB interface. I don't know of any retail outlets for Max/MSP. I only saw Cycling 74's Pluggo listed in the Sweetwater catlog. I guess that since Max/MSP is a programming environment, there's probably less interest in it across the larger music software market. You trade off versatility for a steep learning curve. If you're familar with working on old analog modulkar synths, you can grasp the concept easily. Simply downloading the 30-day demo, or purchasing it, direct from Cycling 74 may be the only answer. The folks who run Cycling 74 are very helpful. I think of Max/MSP users as a community rather than a market. The Tascam US428 is 4in/2out, mixing surface controller with 8 faders, MIDI i/o that will work Max/MSP. So far, I've only cobbled together a patch that allows me use the US428 faders to send control the parameters of a filter patch, which I was using to process the output of a Echoplex loop. I hope this helps.... Eric -- Upcoming Performances & Events: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon/whatsnew.html Dec. 3, 23.30—00.00 London Time/5:30—6:00PM Chicago Time. OUT OF THE BLUE RADIO on Resonance FM. 104.4 FM: http://www.l-m-c.org.uk/ (streamed). Leonardson's binaural soundscape of Wicker Park studio environs. Dec. 14 with Jim Meneses, Toshi Makihara, and films by Peter Rose at TRITONE, 1508 South St., Philadelphia Home page: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon